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[MG] GLOBAL CHALLENGES PRIZE 2017
Scott Raney
2017-02-19 15:18:38 UTC
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They've made some changes to this competition, pushing back the
deadlines by several months, broadening the scope a little (new
*general* governance systems are now eligible whereas before it was
restricted to international relations), and they've now committed to
giving away all 5 million USD (before there was a hedge in there
allowing them to withhold some or all of that if there weren't enough
worthy entries). Probably I wasn't the only one, but I did write to
them suggesting all of these things.

The new registration deadline is March 31 and submission deadline is
September 30th.

https://globalchallenges.org/
Steve Coffman
2017-02-19 17:14:13 UTC
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Hi Scott,
Could you tell me where you heard they are "broadening the scope" of The Challenge?
The only email update I’ve received is the one talking about the extended deadlines.

Also, I’m curious what you think of "Rule 5 a.” in the, [Rules for Participation]. Does the term “non-exclusive" mean a registrant will still have an equal right and license to implement their own entry, regardless of what GCF might do with it?

And, is it clear to you whether the GCF intends to fund and/or otherwise direct the implementation of the Challenge winner(s) proposal?

Finally, have you seen anywhere where it describes the formatting required for entry, other than the number of words per each document? Does the entire entry need to be in text, or can there be diagrams, Power Point, etc.? Hard copy or digital?

I’m registered but haven’t gotten the memo on any of this.

Thx :)
Post by Scott Raney
They've made some changes to this competition, pushing back the
deadlines by several months, broadening the scope a little (new
*general* governance systems are now eligible whereas before it was
restricted to international relations), and they've now committed to
giving away all 5 million USD (before there was a hedge in there
allowing them to withhold some or all of that if there weren't enough
worthy entries). Probably I wasn't the only one, but I did write to
them suggesting all of these things.
The new registration deadline is March 31 and submission deadline is
September 30th.
https://globalchallenges.org/
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Scott Raney
2017-02-19 18:14:30 UTC
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Post by Steve Coffman
Could you tell me where you heard they are "broadening the scope" of The Challenge?
The only email update I’ve received is the one talking about the extended deadlines.
Hmm, I didn't get that email. The broader scope interpretation is just
from memory: They've rewritten the criteria page and my recollection
was that there was no allowance for general governance systems in the
last version (which I took to exclude my AutoMatch proposal).
Unfortunately they *added* a sentence that I think directly
contradicts the statements above it, specifically rejecting "models
that postulate that all states should be democracies". This is of
course a recipe for failure (e.g., the only way to get North Korea to
participate in a climate change agreement is to get rid of its
dictator). No guts, no glory, I say...
Post by Steve Coffman
Also, I’m curious what you think of "Rule 5 a.” in the, [Rules for Participation]. Does the term “non-exclusive" mean a registrant will still have an equal right and license to implement their own entry, regardless of what GCF might do with it?
I've no concern about stuff like this: If you're in this for the money
or for proprietary interest in any form, you're in the wrong business.
I'd go so far as to propose that the first thing The People should
vote on if faced with a choice like this would be to strip all
intellectual property rights from anyone who tries to claim them on a
product or service that The People need. But maybe that's just me: I'd
probably vote to eliminate *all* patents and also severely restrict
copyright protection (limiting it to maybe 5 years or something). The
common conception of the purpose of these systems is completely
backwards: The purpose of these things is to ensure The People have
access to cool new stuff, and granting a monopoly to the creators is
merely an incentive. If enough cool stuff gets released without a
patent or copyright system, these should just be eliminated, and any
existing copyright or patent holders can pound sand if they think it's
our obligation to facilitate them getting rich by imposing artificial
scarcity (I'm talking to you, Bill Gates).
Post by Steve Coffman
And, is it clear to you whether the GCF intends to fund and/or otherwise direct the implementation of the Challenge winner(s) proposal?
No, and I'd guess they left that vague on purpose. I doubt they're
going to try to interfere with the operation of a functioning system,
but probably would be willing to provide some infrastructure or
facilitation to help get an idea bootstrapped. I think they'd have
been better off organizing this as a grant proposal competition where
working prototypes would be given a huge advantage over handwaving
proposals (something I also suggested to them, but which they
apparently decided not to do).
Post by Steve Coffman
Finally, have you seen anywhere where it describes the formatting required for entry, other than the number of words per each document? Does the entire entry need to be in text, or can there be diagrams, Power Point, etc.? Hard copy or digital?
I’m registered but haven’t gotten the memo on any of this.
Me either. But I consider the formatting requirements they *have*
stated to be unnecessarily restrictive. I'd recommend taking
everything they say as merely being suggestions: You don't change the
world by following a bunch of rules ;-)
Regards,
Scott
Post by Steve Coffman
Thx :)
Steve Coffman
2017-02-19 19:28:41 UTC
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Post by Scott Raney
Also, I’m curious what you think of "Rule 5 a.” in the, [Rules for Participation]. Does the term “non-exclusive" mean a registrant will still have an equal right and license to implement their own entry, regardless of what GCF might do with it?
I've no concern about stuff like this: If you're in this for the money
or for proprietary interest in any form, you're in the wrong business.
I'd go so far as to propose that the first thing The People should
vote on if faced with a choice like this would be to strip all
intellectual property rights from anyone who tries to claim them on a
product or service that The People need.
I agree.

It’s not about money and intellectual property rights. It’s about whether a proposal can still be developed by anyone other than GCF
.once it’s been submitted. Seems like you’re in the dark on this as well.

Below is the email I received on the 10th. It says, "There have also been minor amendments to the submission requirements including formatting and criteria. These will be published next week. “ I’ve not received anything else from them since.



February 10, 2017

To the Shapemakers and participants of the Global Challenges Prize 2017 - A New Shape Remodelling Global Cooperation.
This notice is to inform you that the dates of the competition have been changed due to an increasing interest in the competition.

The Global Challenges Foundation is thrilled with the attention the competition has received, and would thus like to extend the opportunity for more entrants to participate and further develop their proposals.

There have also been minor amendments to the submission requirements including formatting and criteria. These will be published next week.

Please note the following changes to the key dates:

Registration will be open until March 31, 2017

Applications can be submitted from April 1, 2017

The final submission deadline is extended until September 30, 2017.

Shortlisted candidates will be invited to a judging day in Stockholm in April 2018, after which the final results will be announced.
Scott Raney
2017-02-19 19:52:23 UTC
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Also, I’m curious what you think of "Rule 5 a.” in the, [Rules for
Participation]. Does the term “non-exclusive" mean a registrant will still
have an equal right and license to implement their own entry, regardless of
what GCF might do with it?
I'm not finding "Rules for Participation" or the word "exclusive" on that
site (neither in the built-in search feature nor a site-search from Google).

I do remember seeing that in previous versions, though. "Non-exclusive"
technically/legally means exactly that: You can still do whatever you want
with your IP, it just doesn't protect you from competition from them. Which
should be fine: Although there is some risk from dilution resulting from
forks (multiple implementations), the benefits that accrue to The People
from competition far outweigh those risks.
Regards,
Scott
max stalnaker
2017-02-21 05:18:02 UTC
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On IP

Who owns? If they own, they give you a license that allows you to do
something. If you own it, otherway around. What is that which is owned?
Whoever owns can create different types of licenses and offer them.

I do not really care. But you might develop something and your users end up
paying money to the owner that is not you. Or a wonder idea and they
patent it and prohibit actual use.
Post by Scott Raney
Also, I’m curious what you think of "Rule 5 a.” in the, [Rules for
Participation]. Does the term “non-exclusive" mean a registrant will still
have an equal right and license to implement their own entry, regardless of
what GCF might do with it?
I'm not finding "Rules for Participation" or the word "exclusive" on that
site (neither in the built-in search feature nor a site-search from Google).
I do remember seeing that in previous versions, though. "Non-exclusive"
technically/legally means exactly that: You can still do whatever you want
with your IP, it just doesn't protect you from competition from them. Which
should be fine: Although there is some risk from dilution resulting from
forks (multiple implementations), the benefits that accrue to The People
from competition far outweigh those risks.
Regards,
Scott
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Scott Raney
2017-02-21 14:53:37 UTC
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Post by max stalnaker
On IP
Who owns? If they own, they give you a license that allows you to do
something. If you own it, otherway around. What is that which is owned?
Whoever owns can create different types of licenses and offer them.
This kind of hair-splitting goes on in the Open Source market all the
time and I fail to see the point: Once you've released something under
a fairly permissive open source license (MIT, Apache, etc.) there's
basically nothing the "IP owner" can do to prevent you from competing
with them. If you release under GPL or some variant of that they might
retain some control over commercial use, but that'd also dramatically
shrink the potential market for the product (most companies won't
touch GPL licensed software).

This rule definitely applies to our purposes (i.e., creating a
decisionmaking system that is designed to replace some component of
actual government): No one is going to trust your system if they don't
have free reign to look at it, modify it, and fork it if necessary,
which requires some sort of open source license and a complete absence
of patent protection for it.
Post by max stalnaker
I do not really care. But you might develop something and your users end up
paying money to the owner that is not you. Or a wonder idea and they patent
it and prohibit actual use.
Patent I think is a separate issue, the proper way to solve that one
being to eliminate software patents (this is in my proposal queue
already ;-) But with few exceptions IP in open source licensing is a
copyright issue, not a patent issue.
Regards,
Scott
Steve Coffman
2017-03-06 21:29:05 UTC
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The new submission requirements and formatting/content guidelines for the UN 2.0 Challenge just arrived (finally):

https://globalchallenges.org/en/terms

Some interesting changes:
1. Content and Format of Competition Entries

2.1 The Task
The participant must design a governance model able to effectively address the most pressing threats and risks to humanity. In other words, the task is not to come up with direct solutions to specific problems. Rather, it is to design a general model for decision-making, with the aim of generating such solutions and the ability to do so, and possessing the resources to effectively implement them.

The governance model must also be such that it can be implemented within the foreseeable future. This requires that it be acceptable to major states and the wider international community. A significant measure of civic acceptance is also required. This requirement eliminates models that rely on time-consuming and controversial changes in the political system of individual states, e.g. models that postulate that all states should be democracies

Furthermore, the governance model must involve a minimum of limitations to the sovereignty of nation-states, meaning that it should involve only such limitations as are necessary to ensure that national decisions do not seriously harm the vital interests of inhabitants of other countries, or of humanity as a whole. In other words, decisions within the governance model must not deal with the internal affairs of individual states.


2.2 Assessment criteria

(e) General Security

The governance model must guarantee international security and prevent disputes from escalating into war or other large-scale armed violence. Nations and ethnic groups must be guaranteed protection from external attack and must receive assistance in handling internal disputes fairly.

(e) Trust and Insight

The trust enjoyed by a successful governance model and its institutions relies on transparency and considerable insight into power structures and decision-making.

(f) Flexibility

AIn order to be able to fulfil its objectives effectively, a successful governance model must contain mechanisms that allow for revisions and improvements ofto be made to its structure and components.

(g) Protection against the Abuse of Power

A control system must be in place to take action if the organization oversteps its mandate, e.g. by unduly interfering with the internal affairs of nation states or favoring the special interests of individuals, groups, organizations, states or groups of states.

(h) Accountability and Transparency

It is a fundamental requirement of a successful governance model that it performs the tasks it has been charged with, and that decision-makers can be held accountable for their actions. This includes mechanisms against abuse of power, which can invalidate decisions and actions that exceed the mandate of the governance model, and which can step in when it is clear that decision-makers and relevant institutions are not doing their job correctly. This requires transparency and extensive insight into power structures and decision-making processesthe governance model must include the power to hold the decision-makers accountable for their actions.
Post by Scott Raney
Post by max stalnaker
On IP
Who owns? If they own, they give you a license that allows you to do
something. If you own it, otherway around. What is that which is owned?
Whoever owns can create different types of licenses and offer them.
This kind of hair-splitting goes on in the Open Source market all the
time and I fail to see the point: Once you've released something under
a fairly permissive open source license (MIT, Apache, etc.) there's
basically nothing the "IP owner" can do to prevent you from competing
with them. If you release under GPL or some variant of that they might
retain some control over commercial use, but that'd also dramatically
shrink the potential market for the product (most companies won't
touch GPL licensed software).
This rule definitely applies to our purposes (i.e., creating a
decisionmaking system that is designed to replace some component of
actual government): No one is going to trust your system if they don't
have free reign to look at it, modify it, and fork it if necessary,
which requires some sort of open source license and a complete absence
of patent protection for it.
Post by max stalnaker
I do not really care. But you might develop something and your users end up
paying money to the owner that is not you. Or a wonder idea and they patent
it and prohibit actual use.
Patent I think is a separate issue, the proper way to solve that one
being to eliminate software patents (this is in my proposal queue
already ;-) But with few exceptions IP in open source licensing is a
copyright issue, not a patent issue.
Regards,
Scott
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Scott Raney
2017-03-06 23:10:27 UTC
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Post by Steve Coffman
The new submission requirements and formatting/content guidelines for the UN
Nice diffs, thanks!
Post by Steve Coffman
The governance model must also be such that it can be implemented within the
foreseeable future. This requires that it be acceptable to major states and
the wider international community. A significant measure of civic acceptance
is also required. This requirement eliminates models that rely on
time-consuming and controversial changes in the political system of
individual states, e.g. models that postulate that all states should be
democracies
This still seems to me a Catch 22: I can't think of any way to achieve
any of the kinds of changes they're looking for *except* by putting
restrictions on nations that e.g., dictators will simply refuse to
comply with. I don't know what they're expecting, but they've made a
fundamental mistake here if they think they're going to get anything
but variations on the "UN" theme if they try to enforce that rule.
Which of course is going to get them exactly nothing, as has been
demonstrated by the UN every time it has been tasked with resolving
some conflict.

But I do sympathize with their position: You can't really announce a
competition where all the entries that have any chance of succeeding
start out with "The first thing we do, let's kill all the dictators".
Matchism included, although I'd propose that it's not necessarily the
*first* thing we need to do. But eventually when people catch on I
figure we'll toss off a drone strike against a Kim or Assad with nor
more thought than we give to bombing a wedding party in Yemen now.
Regards,
Scott
Patrick Millerd
2017-03-07 04:50:56 UTC
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Kind of strange for a competition based in Stockholm, Sweden to not
accept Swedish language entries.
Post by Steve Coffman
Post by Steve Coffman
The new submission requirements and formatting/content guidelines for
the UN
Nice diffs, thanks!
Post by Steve Coffman
The governance model must also be such that it can be implemented within
the
Post by Steve Coffman
foreseeable future. This requires that it be acceptable to major states
and
Post by Steve Coffman
the wider international community. A significant measure of civic
acceptance
Post by Steve Coffman
is also required. This requirement eliminates models that rely on
time-consuming and controversial changes in the political system of
individual states, e.g. models that postulate that all states should be
democracies
This still seems to me a Catch 22: I can't think of any way to achieve
any of the kinds of changes they're looking for *except* by putting
restrictions on nations that e.g., dictators will simply refuse to
comply with. I don't know what they're expecting, but they've made a
fundamental mistake here if they think they're going to get anything
but variations on the "UN" theme if they try to enforce that rule.
Which of course is going to get them exactly nothing, as has been
demonstrated by the UN every time it has been tasked with resolving
some conflict.
But I do sympathize with their position: You can't really announce a
competition where all the entries that have any chance of succeeding
start out with "The first thing we do, let's kill all the dictators".
Matchism included, although I'd propose that it's not necessarily the
*first* thing we need to do. But eventually when people catch on I
figure we'll toss off a drone strike against a Kim or Assad with nor
more thought than we give to bombing a wedding party in Yemen now.
Regards,
Scott
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Steve Coffman
2017-03-07 17:41:32 UTC
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Yes, it’s pretty tall order they’ve put forward. It seems they're hedging the "implementation requirements" a wee bit with the (c) clause below.

I imagine with a $5 mil prize there will be a substantial number of submissions from some pretty bright people. I’m hoping they'll publish links to the other entries once the competition is over
.or at least to the top 2 dozen or so. I’m really curious to see what comes out of this.

Also, it seems like they're preserving the option of combining ideas from several entries into a single plan or model. Could be interesting
.

(c) Competition Entries will be assessed on the basis of how well they can be expected to fulfil the criteria listed in section 2.2 above. In some cases, ensuring that certain goals are met may make it harder to realize other goals. In such cases, trade-offs must be made. How well participants manage such trade-offs will be an important factor in the assessment.
Post by Scott Raney
Post by Steve Coffman
The governance model must also be such that it can be implemented within the
foreseeable future. This requires that it be acceptable to major states and
the wider international community. A significant measure of civic acceptance
is also required. This requirement eliminates models that rely on
time-consuming and controversial changes in the political system of
individual states, e.g. models that postulate that all states should be
democracies
This still seems to me a Catch 22: I can't think of any way to achieve
any of the kinds of changes they're looking for *except* by putting
restrictions on nations that e.g., dictators will simply refuse to
comply with. I don't know what they're expecting, but they've made a
fundamental mistake here if they think they're going to get anything
but variations on the "UN" theme if they try to enforce that rule.
Which of course is going to get them exactly nothing, as has been
demonstrated by the UN every time it has been tasked with resolving
some conflict.
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